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The TT course is...Stop blaming the TT for deaths! <br /><br />The TT course is an immovable physical structure; it did nothing wrong. The riders chose to ride there, to face the challenge of staying on two wheels between the stone walls – as fast as they can. They know the risks before they start and during practise. They don’t have to race, no-ones making them. If they have an accident 99.9% of the time it’s their mistake. They don’t blame anyone else so why should those that don’t have the b…s? <br /><br />I’ve been there several times as a visitor, and unbeknown to me at the time a friend timed us and retrospectively calculated that allowing for the villages we could have qualified half way up the field and we weren’t balls out just having a fast enjoyable ride. I saw the stone walls. I knew I’d be minced if I hit one. So I rode accordingly. <br /><br />I have been ‘terminated’ 3 times and it doesn’t bother me at all. I was actually in I.C.U. recovering from one of these incidents when I heard of John Newbolds death at the NW200 – I was absolutely gutted – but accepted it. No death is GOOD but it IS acceptable ‘cos we know that’s a risk every time weget on a bike. <br /><br />On my 59th birthday I can tell you I’m still riding on the limits at times and broke my leg, again, recently to prove it. I don’t care, I’m mended so what’s the problem. The only thing that’s effected my riding in 43 years is the heart op 2 years ago.<br /><br />Anyway of course safety is important but don’t alter the TT’s basic roots and soul or you might as well go short circuit racing if you want to play safe! And where did that get Joey?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Kris Dwornik Watton + ~KetteringAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08579978564922330771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-366230834353702090.post-70716607837654026532014-06-05T13:37:54.686-07:002014-06-05T13:37:54.686-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073641896533844175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-366230834353702090.post-88024319466006378212014-06-05T08:38:10.358-07:002014-06-05T08:38:10.358-07:00I agree. It's better to really, really live fo...I agree. It's better to really, really live for a shorter time than merely exist ad nauseum. I suppose my point in writing this was to say, I'm not completely sure that young circuit racers are making fully informed choices. And, even if they are, there was hubris on the part of the organizers.Mark Gardinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02154551041344739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-366230834353702090.post-76201887810670570532014-06-05T07:14:00.112-07:002014-06-05T07:14:00.112-07:00One of my closest friends lost her brother, Gavin ...One of my closest friends lost her brother, Gavin Lee, in the IOM TT. As devastating as it was for her and the family, they have taken comfort from the fact it was what he loved doing and he knew the risks. Far better that than being mown down by some anonymous drunk driver or being hit by a bus. Life is for living.Wetwheelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448325217600061928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-366230834353702090.post-8991393506175038342014-06-04T13:17:53.698-07:002014-06-04T13:17:53.698-07:00Thanks Kelli,
Don't give me a couple of weeks...Thanks Kelli,<br /><br />Don't give me a couple of weeks to love the TT again. I love the TT right now, and always will. <br /><br />That said, I have watched the organizers bring in fast young 'circuit' guys like Karl Harris (Josh Brookes leaps to mind, but note that I'm literally touching wood as I type this) and trumpet them, as if they've got a system to produce safe 120 mph newcomers. <br /><br />They don't. They have a system to produce 120 mph newcomers. There's nothing safe about it. Pretending that it's safe doesn't serve anyone, and may actually mislead someone. <br /><br />Karl, tragically, provided a quote to the TT press office before he raced on the IoM, saying he'd been studying the course on a video game. It's not a fucking game. Neither is racing on circuits, but young racers coming up on circuits these days (any time since the 90s, anyway) have done all their racing under conditions where *most* crashes are not injurious -- and many don't even hurt. I am not sure what you'd have to do, in order to ensure that young recruits really understood the dangers involved.<br /><br />I suppose army recruiters love getting kids who've just turned 18 and have grown up playing first-person shooter games. Suddenly they're given real guns and it's *even*cooler* than Call of Duty. I'm guessing it stops being fun when the IEDs start blowing up.<br /><br />Mark Gardinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02154551041344739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-366230834353702090.post-22291633540034311602014-06-04T12:24:59.817-07:002014-06-04T12:24:59.817-07:00Mark,
That's a really eloquent piece of writ...Mark, <br /><br />That's a really eloquent piece of writing and a strong argument. You make a valid case of 'castles built on sand'. <br /><br />Whether I agree with it or not is kind of immaterial. Last week I loved the TT. This week I despise it. <br /><br />It's always the way - same every year. I've lost a lot of friends over there and there's nothing quite like mopping up the mess that people leave behind to make you question the sanity of our selfish pleasures. <br /><br />But that's by the by.<br /><br />What really makes my blood froth, is the reaction that pieces like yours get from the TT die-hards. They call themselves things like 'fans' and 'supporters'. They mainly wear blinkers it would appear.<br /><br />Surely extolling opinion is a good thing in a peaceful democracy? We're all entitled to them. <br /><br />Or maybe not?<br /><br />The' 'fans' and 'supporters' spit back with extraordinary venom. But by doing this, their argument is diminished. Vocalised hatred (name calling and playground insults) offered through social media doesn't paint a picture of reasonable, balanced, intelligent humanity. Radicalised behaviour like this has more akin to religious extremists, not sports fans. <br /><br />Maybe my support for the TT is misplaced after all.<br /><br />Big respect to you for voicing an unpopular stance and likewise to Scott Redding. <br /><br />Give me a couple of weeks and I'll probably love the TT againAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07359426826286211142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-366230834353702090.post-19662657906354768802014-06-04T08:17:04.410-07:002014-06-04T08:17:04.410-07:00Andy, I will write a follow-up post with my sugges...Andy, I will write a follow-up post with my suggestion. There are just as many people who feel my proposal is utterly untenable as there are opponents of the existing TT.Mark Gardinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02154551041344739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-366230834353702090.post-7389288146112661832014-06-04T07:34:32.646-07:002014-06-04T07:34:32.646-07:00Mark, I feel that given your time on the island a...Mark, I feel that given your time on the island and as a past participant of the TT you would have had more to say regarding if or how the TT should continue forward. There rarely seems to be any alternative offered outside of the black/white “stay as it is”/“ban it” viewpoint.<br /><br />So what is the way forward? Assuming you don’t advocate an immediate ban, then your point seems to be improving safety. And improving track safety seems to essentially be a discussion about money. Specifically a percentage of local taxes being invested in track improvements.<br /><br />At some point diminishing returns will mean that each future death prevented will become increasingly more expensive. So the likely future of the TT therefore will depend upon who calls time first. The residents who decide the costs vs income are no longer worth it, or society as we demand lower risk pursuits. Or perhaps the risks can be mitigated to a more acceptable level in line with circuit racing for example.<br /><br />Given your experience and knowledge, where would you prioritise spending to improve safety? e.g. <br />- Limiting newcomers to 600s for first 1-2 visits<br />- Introducing enforceable speed limits in certain high risk sections (akin to pit lane limiter)<br />- Fitting the circuit and bikes with proximity system to help leaders lap back markers (like the sentinel system on the Dakar rally)<br />- Relocating spectators away from high risk areas<br />- Focused effort to declutter street furniture<br />- Compulsory purchase orders on land adjoining the circuit to create greater run-off areas in high risk areasAndy Coursehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16827048051755111181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-366230834353702090.post-26440564124130393702014-06-04T07:31:34.905-07:002014-06-04T07:31:34.905-07:00Nail on head as usual Mark. I have watched this re...Nail on head as usual Mark. I have watched this recruitment project - and the TT - with very mixed feelings. I briefly met Karl when I was supporting Ollie Bridewell in BSB, who met a tragic end in wet practice at Mallory in 2007. I found out about Karl at almost the same time that I discovered another friend - Marc Poels - had been killed riding his Ducati in France. I guess all three were doing what they loved but never thought they'd pay the price. And nor did Ibevelheadgreg@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16265726289893922531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-366230834353702090.post-24922468518454249752014-06-04T03:47:59.991-07:002014-06-04T03:47:59.991-07:00God I hope not. I would prefer to see this event g...God I hope not. I would prefer to see this event go on forever. Continue to improve safety but at the end of the day the race is against the mountain. People need to able to challenge themselves, that's why people climb Everest and K2. It's why they jump off of buildings and try to fly in suits made from spandex. W Connorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03637840480529650094noreply@blogger.com